Hunan - sudden huge profits medicine - incident - instruct the price manily it is nearly 10 times higher than the producer price

Hunan - sudden huge profits medicine - incident - instruct the price manily it is nearly 10 times higher than the producer price
Hunan - sudden huge profits medicine - incident - instruct the price manily it is nearly 10 times higher than the producer price
The following is that CCTV " news 1+1 " finishes the playscript with stage directions on May 18, 2010: --Tablet profit 1300%, is the help still serious? Host (Dong Qian) : Welcome to watch " news 1+1 ". A lot of people think the room rate too expensive, the real estate is the trade of a piece of sudden huge profits. Someone has done such estimation, say the profit rate of this trade is about 130%, if a high profit rate and a of the real estate are named the medicine of slice of asparagus to compare, the profit rate of that real estate is absolutely small profits, because the profit rate of asparagus scene is 1300%, let's have a look what on earth the matter is? (broadcast the short film) Xiao GuCheng (the division chief of management office of the medical price of Price Bureau of Hunan Province) : The asparagus slice has not entered the bid procedure, enterprises have not participated in to submit a tender either, according to the regulation of medicines bid of our province, can't sell in the medical organization in Hunan, it is sold in the medical organization of our Hunan Province now, department of public health and province procuratorate room of the province, we will assist them to make this clear. Explain: As the auxiliary medicine of the ath therapeutic cancer, every patient will buy this kind of 213 yuan for one bottle of asparagus slices under the guidance of doctor, but truth that we tell today whether this kind have, concentrate on, bid and purchase, right away enter by the intersection of Sichuan Province and large medicine that Co., Ltd. produce, Western medicine of China, local government Sell hospitals public,and whether last 1300% the profit rates of medicines, there are for every one, with robbing by profit rate to have difference on this. Guo ZhiQiu (the vice floormanager of Price Bureau in Hunan Province) : The direct production cost of slice of asparagus is 6.83 yuan for each bottle, complete cost is 13.39 yuan for each bottle, the average stock price that the company gives to the distributor is 14 yuan for each bottle to 19. Reporter: When did this enter this medicine? The financial staff members of pharmaceuticals of Hunan Province: This is the goods sent on December 4, arrive on December 8. Reporter: How much is the purchase price? The financial staff members of pharmaceuticals of Hunan Province: 15.5 yuan, because this one signs the contract price. Explain: It is 15.5 yuan that production becomes the producer price that pharmaceuticals of Hunan Province get of 6.83 yuan, but reached the hospital, 213 yuan that those doctors issued to the patient is 7 times that of wholesale price, 14 times of the producer price. It is reported, the asparagus one entered the medical insurance catalogue of Hunan Province in 2004, the retail price which Hunan Province Price Bureau announced has already been up to 160 yuan in 2006, in bid of government centralized purchasing medicines in 2007, the sales price that Hunan Province Price Bureau announces to the society is 218 yuan, this is really a government guided price letting persons unable to understand. As to this, at yesterday's news briefing, the explanation of Hunan Province Price Bureau was, have not known relevant information in time. Because asparagus block is produced without competition in the other provinces, sell only in the hospital, this instructs the determination of the price to bring the difficulty for bid. Zheng PiXian (correspondent) : I say why you have not asked him for the producer price, the cost price in other words, he says because asparagus slice is a nonlocal variety, the other places variety does not belong to tube of theirs, they are unable to want cost price from enterprise, or producer price, they have no right to want, they say it is a lot of varieties, seem to nearly have more than 4000 varieties, he can get while saying the impossible cost price of each enterprise. Guo ZhiQiu: On checking and ratifying the price of slice of asparagus, the staff members of our bureau really exist and can not check on tightly, information gathering complete, the intersection of work and not so careful problem, lead to the fact every box taken place to make 136 submit a tender, offer, instruct price to be on the high side. As to this, we will correct actively. Explain: Nowadays, whom Hunan Province establish already check unhealthy tendencies and malpractices, run front, hygiene, price, the intersection of medicine and the intersection of supervise, industry and commerce,etc. and joint investigation group that department make up by province, shelf under saying, it is overall that there will be possible asparagus slice within the range of the whole province in the investigation group, investigate the question that the commerce bribes especially, will investigate the fact especially, will distinguish responsibility, who involve, what part is involved, punish severely in accordance with the rule in accordance with the law without exception. Nowadays, though hold the news briefing, though admit it is the violation that the asparagus block is sold in the public hospital, but do people still or not understand, through what way on earth was a scene of profit rate up to 1300% realized on the asparagus? Host: Professor Wang, after I have finished seeing this piece of news, I will expect at once, so long as people will all have sick that day, want, take medicine, yuan of medicines become more than 200 yuan, who has made my money, this is the question that I think of. How did you see this question? King tin zinc (special commentator) : I think I have expected too at first, the last consumers who buy medicine, nearly spent finally more than 13 times of original price price is bought. How assigned this kind of middle sudden huge profits are on earth, where flow? All of us said originally medicine had timid and high price, but is looking at this case, we knew, then the medicine price is high, it is really high, such high inside, if a real one is to let consumers bear such a heavy burden here, we do not really know that save someone's life or serious in such a medicine. Host: The medicine price is really too high, medicines should be in consumers' hands all the time from dispatching from the factory, how many links pass on earth among them, the medical business administration association of China which our reporter interviewed will be longer than MingDe this afternoon, it was said how we came to listen to him together. Yu MingDe (the medical business administration association's president of China) : Say normally, most medicines will be come out to sell to the wholesaling firm from the factory, the wholesaling firm may be one too, also may be two, the a lot of one is individual, may reach three, but been given to a wholesaling firm of Beijing by a pharmaceutical factory of Beijing, the wholesaling firm of Beijing assigns this medicines to the wholesaling firm of Shanghai again, the company that the wholesaling firm of Shanghai transferred the county below of Shanghai again, the company of the county sends to the hospital inside the county, this is more links. Host: Professor Wang, a medicine is from that day dispatched from the factory, why go from Beijing to Shanghai, from Shanghai to the county, reach consumers into the hand finally, why are there so many links? King tin zinc: In fact I think that enclosing a lot of people outside will have such a question, why can't be sold to the hospital directly by enterprises. Host: Is this a need of a market? King tin zinc: I think actually as we asked this question, through the understanding of the expert just now, in fact we see only one false market here, or One is market of the serious distortion, because you think, by the look of choice of the market, market sure to approach one other one party to let market, consumer, it is these patients that will buy medicines finally, so if they choose, obviously let the price of medicine lower, but this kind of mechanism that forms today, it is so complicated to circulate entirely, so many banks, and every layer participant should be certainly lucrative. Host: You looked, Professor Wang, you said just now, if it is the market price, such a price that must let consumers benefit finally, consumer benefit now, who a price that benefit the price let? King tin zinc: A lot of selling links inside, it is so multi-layer to sell links entirely, so multi-layer, can only prove the whole people who participate in this course should benefit. Cited a simple example, he said that selling links is being only circulated to the subordinate company ring upon ring constantly by the provincial company just now, every grade circulates we know that must increase the cost, perhaps when entering the hospital finally, perhaps the hospital should purchase this kind of medicine, the leader of the possible hospital has a say, the person of the pharmacy dept. or chamber committee of medicine has a say, the doctor's kitchen criticizes medicine out finally, he has a say too, the right to speak has decided what medicines can enter the hospital, what medicines can sell in the patient's hands, these people do not get up early without profit. In this course, whom we see, to be simple, this kind may have a large amount of course that commerce bribes. We see just because of this, very high medicine price which in fact final consumers not merely afforded, timid and high medicine price, and they will come to check for such a commercial bribery, I think it is the double corruption. Host: Should be supervised if there are commercial return circuits, we see something inside the film, the relevant department of Hunan Province admits, it is 15.5 yuan that they do not grasp the producer price of slice of asparagus in advance, they admit on checking and ratifying the price of slice of asparagus, the staff members of our bureau can not really check on tightly, information gathering is not complete, it is not careful enough to work. They should play a role in supervising, why have you appraised them and lose function supervised this time? King tin zinc: We talked about just now, our present production, especially the links of circulating twisted more serious situation existing on the market, in fact our governments at all levels have been thinking this respect of lowering the medicine price works hard, including issuing the guide price. It is the country that carries on the fixed price to some basic medicines directly sometimes, see it is a guide price like here. , just as you talked just now, the local price supervision department has said at the guide price, we must know this basic information, when for example the cost involved inside production cost and selling link, the information is grasped inaccurately, probably basically have no information, then issue such guidance price, the empty and high situation exists to may guide price. Host: You said just now what information was grasped was inaccurate, you supervised, you if information was mastered inaccurately, how to supervise to grasp the non- complete words? King tin zinc: This is that we see a lot of cases like asparagus slice, the timid and high case of the guide price is not merely in a province, we see inside the short film, in the other places, it has the various so-called guidance prices, also this kind of situation exists. Host: What we paid close attention to is happening in the problem of very high price of slice of asparagus of Hunan today, whether such a price only happens in Hunan, we continue paying close attention to next. (broadcast the short film) Explain: Producer price is 15.5 yuan, turn into 213 yuan at patient's hand, the profit is up to 1300%. Small asparagus scene let the whole society feel shocked in this box these two days, but such a profit miracle not merely takes place in Hunan. According to media's report, Hunan Province Price Bureau makes the medicines centralized purchasing of the whole province of hair and submits a tender and offers the guide price on April 15 this year, among them the asparagus one is 136 yuan for every box in guidance price of bid of the government of Hunan, this is likewise a method tender price letting persons unable to understand, because it is more than 8 times of enterprise's producer price, as to this, Hunan the intersection of Price Bureau and explanation in this, the price to consult peripheral biding price that province will carry out actually in 2008. The implication, not merely in Hunan, a lot of local asparagus price of slice in the whole country is similar. See the intersection of Hunan and information that Price Bureau offer to us, the intersection of Guangdong and the intersection of Jiangmen and 190.08 first box, the intersection of Heilongjiang and 160 one box, the intersection of Henan and 133 first box, it is 8 times of the producer price too to be the lowest. The websites of Shaanxi Province Price Bureau that we logged in too inquire today, the supreme retail price of Shaanxi Province was 218 yuan in 2004 with asparagus one of the specification, the supreme retail price that and Heilongjiang Price Bureau begins to carry out this medicines on July 10 of 2009 is 184 yuan. Hunan not merely obviously, one box small the intersection of asparagus and slice, why call for bid price lower through government, has already been close to price of 10 times to present in front of consumers instead, what it is about this on earth? A box asparagus slice begins to let people feel the strong query, an important purpose of government centralized purchasing medicines is in order to limit the medicine price timid and high through bid, get a reasonable medicine price for ordinary people, but why is on pricing question of slice of the asparagus, have not people seen the due result of this kind of reform? Yu MingDe: One is the enterprises coming to submit a tender, it is a manufacturing enterprise, he wants and bids and purchases the office and submit a tender, the office decides what this product biding price here of our province is. This price is usually lower than the nationwide unified ceiling price to this product of the country, then has it stood definitely? Do not stand either. It make just can't exceed number this, where it is but low he leaves alone, it reaches the intersection of hospital and there to be to chase the intersection of house and hospital, sign contract, hospital pieces of the intersection of legal person and unit that pay the bill. While signing the contract with the hospital, the director has said, I am thought to be high in it, this bid purchasing price, you lower for me again, you give some of me a discount in addition, that came into force is that the hospital signs the price of the contract finally. Explain: At the beginning of this year, Hubei member of the CPPCC National Committee Bao Lin Liu once talked about the awkward experience of the purchase bidding result to the basic medicine to the media. 0.75 grams of each of medicineses, our bid is 1.68 yuan, it is 1.78 yuan to sell the price of medical organization at the basic level, in the basic medicine catalogue, unexpectedly to the bid price of this assortment medicine the government has reached 8.85 yuan. The enterprises which Bao Lin Liu belongs to, medicines managed Over 70%, in basic the intersection of medicine and catalogue, but they count these medicine government of catalogue call for bid price and limit after the bid taste, find more than 3,000 product rules, the price is higher than the current price on market that the governments of ninety percent of the basic medicines call for bid, only 1 is lower than the current price on market of the market as the bid price of the thing. We can not really find out, what on earth does the government concentrate bid on purchasing the purpose of medicines? The investigation group has been established in Hunan Province, what influence is their investigation result to letting bid of government which people can not understand purchase bringing? Host: You look, Professor Wang, this way does this is to hope to lower medicine price by bid in the government, but we saw this asparagus slice, its producer price is so cheap, government's bid instructed the price to become so expensive instead finally, where on earth to go wrong, let such a good policy be out of shape? King tin zinc: In fact we talked about just now, this kind of mechanism on this market of circulating twisted the whole medicines, so the government should really accomplish something inside, we have seen much conduct. The centralized purchasing government of the government on one hand, want to answer this question. But centralized purchasing has several 4 very important basic links that are relatively solved, the first is that you talked about just now, you must make one that relatively corresponded to reality, guidance price that there is accurate information and the data supported. Host: In other words, is it what is discussed to guide that you guide? King tin zinc: If you do not have the basic one about cost and assigned data of reasonable profit, the ones that came out like this instructed the price to actually have no idea from this price control or instruct the respect to keep the price at all. If instruct the price to fix and go against accepted conventions, at the time of the whole bid, everybody sees the guidance price that the government spent. Host: Why will the government make out a price going against accepted conventions? Where to go wrong inside? King tin zinc: I think I may involve a lot of respects, including explanation inside of the price department of Hunan, we do not understand information. Host: But you talk about this question, I kid you in the pharmaceutical factory, you do not know the business, do not kid one accurately? King tin zinc: So I think real supervision may whether guide price of medicines can only want, make some understand, to cost probably inside, book a system on the whole, very about to want to draw down the price, in fact the most central mechanism of system of centralized purchasing is the competition and discloses, if let enterprises of everybody's real bid can have a kind of effective competition mechanism, the rate of exchange that they will come each other, because there are many people who submit a tender finally, elect, win a bid selected enterprise will little, it signs enterprises of contract to be will be less really finally really, what is depended on? Depend on quality first, the second depends on the price. So if can bring into play this competition mechanism, i.e. this competition mechanism concentrated on bidding and purchasing of ours, some are regarded as will drop the medicine pricing. Host: Until what time you said just now, the first, the government should have an accurate and overall assurance on relevant information, if let this system contribute, what is the second? King tin zinc: The second, we are present to call for bid inside the mechanism entirely, it has not actually solved an overlong problem of roller chain that we spoke originally. It is said whole circulation of medicine it perhaps intermediate link many in front of the we, I will come one is concentrated and bade and purchased now, what concentrate on bidding and purchasing it to solve? I do not need so many middle circulation links, the direct every one saves and sets up a unified platform, everybody sells medicines, the hospital should buy medicines to all come to this platform, so it wants to cut down all intermediate links. But this concentrated on bidding and purchasing, just as said to the president us just now now, in fact he selects to come out, it is large quantities of selected enterprises that the bidding work came out only. In other words, even if you submit a tender and enter, you want to sell medicine to the hospital finally, must talk to you in about of hospitals. Host: What medicine I select finally, the medicine how much is price should hospital have the final say finally. King tin zinc: The hospital has very great right to speak. Still specially mentioned to the president, the hospital found and won a bid of selected enterprises just now, selected enterprises much pay attention to having one to win a bid, it is not on this family, so I talk to you, you give me certain discount again, this discount will not be reflected by consumer's body. It may come at the price won a bid, let me earn one. Host: I discuss with you at 100 yuan. King tin zinc: And have the so-called price markup now along us, for example according to common 15% of the price markup, at the price winning a bid, take advantage of a situation and add 15%. Host: We give an example, for example the pharmaceutical factory talks to the hospital, this medicine is 100 yuan, you want, then hospital say you give me 10% profit, 10 the intersection of I and oneself these take, consumer still 100 yuan in pair, my hospital can also raise the price 15% more on this 100 yuan fairly and sensibly according to the regulation. King tin zinc: So the price that it is purchased in finally is 115, but may be here, it has profits of 30 yuan hospital already in one's hands in fact. Host: But can this kind of method be solved through government's centralized purchasing now of this problem? King tin zinc: Every province has made a lot of centralized purchasing methods, it realizes this question too, it talks about that there should not be on questions such as systems, instruct the price and instruct the price definitely takes according to various reasonable situations, its regulation. After then win a bid and enter, the selected proportion can be too big, because grow up after entering the proportion, the hospital is in the leeway to bargain with selected pharmacy enterprise and company, the space is very big, third, inside of our centralized purchasing, special regulation is terrific negociation price two times, after because of negociation price two times of yours, among them it is nonsensical to call for bid, but may not be implemented in practice. Host: This kind of good one like government's centralized purchasing


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